Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

That may well be the case Mick…I do not live there; however, it still only solidifies the point I make. Any stigma of criminalization or illegality related to a drug/alcohol only increases the level of violence and other criminal activity related to the pursuit and/or garnishment of the drug/alcohol.

Topic: Letter of The Law / Internal Training and Education

Squeeze, I am unsure of what state you live in, but as far as I am aware, there is no state in the entire Union that considers a person the ward of the state simply because they are incarcerated. There must be some other legal factor involved before any other entity can assume any control over the affairs of another.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

Mick, I am sure the Netherlands has always been one of the major points of distribution for any and all goods in demand, given it is home to one of, if not the largest, shipping ports in the entire world. Decriminalizing is a non-factor in the dynamic.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

Squeeze writes: “To say that if we just legalize the drugs is absurd and proven in the Amsterdam experince (sic) that legalization simply does not reduce crime. As in Amsterdam after legalization the violent crime rate rose not declined.”

Well, all this would be fine and good if in fact drugs have been legalized in Amsterdam. In fact, they have not…
http://www.amsterdam.info/coffee-shop-news/
Just because something has been decriminalized, does not mean its is legal.
It is absurd to continue to think that making something illegal prevents people from doing it…I have clear, concrete, objective proof for the statements I write…not conjecture or something pulled out my hat like a rabbit at a magic show…

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

How can one “laugh,” at something not understood? Please, R. Recovery, do not engage at this level.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

In addition, it is self-evident and objective FACT more violent and dangerous crime is being committed within ALL neighborhoods as a result of the illegalization of ANY drugs (just as it was during Prohibition), but more especially that of our black and minority communities. These drugs were made (and are being kept) illegal by crooks occupying the halls of justice and lawmaking who derive a fortune through kickbacks, kickups, and stocks, within the illegal drug trade, the pharmaceutical industry, the alcohol industry, and the arms industry. The CIA (run by Czar Bush the First) instituted the trade of crack and arms within the country, supplying both to the Crips/Bloods.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

Sorry, correcting my post…R. Recovery wrote the words: “Secondly RJC is right. You can’t legalize substances like LSD, Meth, Crack, Cocaine. These substances lead to a very high degree of violent crimes when individuals are on them. It would be a huge danger to all communities.”

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

RCJ writes: “Totallackey, so what you are saying is that cocaine, meth, LSD, crack, heroine, and that’s just to name a few should be legal? I’m sorry but I’m not buying into that. When one of these addict nut jobs hurt someone close to you let me know your opinion then.”
Okay…I understand…How about when one of the alcoholics driving along a road hurts someone close to me…get the picture? Are you stomping for alcohol to become illegal?
To tell the truth, I am not very happy when anyone close to me gets hurt by anyone, drunk, stoned, or sober; however, I happen to realize that pain and suffering are inevitable, regardless of source. How is the prohibition against murder working out? Thousands of years old, issued by the Almighty, and yet????
RCJ writes: “Secondly RJC is right. You can’t legalize substances like LSD, Meth, Crack, Cocaine. These substances lead to a very high degree of violent crimes when individuals are on them. It would be a huge danger to all communities.”
I would challenge you to provide any objective study demonstrating a higher degree of violent crime is committed when the perp is under the influence of cocaine, meth, or LSD, as compared to being sober or under the influence of caffeine, marijuana, alcohol, etc…
All studies regarding any current illegal drug are, by their very nature, tainted by the illegality of the drug and therefore suspect in the results.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

Basically both sides are admitting the crime is being committed in pursuit of the drug.

Now everyone just stop.

Those on the side of incarceration: What costs more…incarcerating or the drug? I think we all know the drug prison ends up costing more in terms of money, spirit, and soul…

If the person had the drugs, no crime to commit in order to get the drug…There is a prescribed dose for the crap they peddle on TV, with admitted side effects, up to and including death (ergo, no different than any illegal drug). So, there should be a prescribed dose for the stuff currently illegal. Decriminalize and stop prosecuting drug users.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

Reagan learned to keep his approach (more like Goldwater) quiet after Georgie boy and the CIA got their shots off…

The only thing prohibition does is make bootleggers and politicians rich…History proves this.

Topic: The Club House / Criminal Rehab Program

We spend way too much money incarcerating drug users. The War on Drugs was invented by Czar Bush the First as means to export terror across the world and make billions off fools.

Topic: Letter of The Law / Internal Training and Education

LegalGuardian writes:
“First, using a dictionary to define the term “ward” is a joke. The term ward is defined by state law, for example, Mo. Rev. Stat. Sec 475.010(22) holds “Ward”, a minor or an incapacitated person for whom a guardian, limited guardian, or standby guardian has been appointed.”

Do you think the court simply arrives at this definition without consulting a legal dictionary?

Explain the appreciable difference between the legal dictionary of “ward,” and what the courts have decided.

Topic: Letter of The Law / Internal Training and Education

Sorry Legalguardian. It seems you want an argument for argument for arguments sake. I will argue if you like, but a little background info concerning what country, state, locale, would be helpful.

Most states I know do not consider adult offenders “wards,” of the state and never have. Most adults I know do not have a “legal guardian,” and neither are they entitled to have one, unless they are incapacitated to such a degree as to affect sound, mental judgment.

Granted, since the abolishment of NIMH, we have found more and more such people within the confines of any prison in the US.